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>> cenk: welcome to the "the young turks"." oscar fume nated director detained at l.a.x. airport.
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this is his movie. >> cenk: he's here in our studio. and the injustice of mandatory minimum. >> serving 12 years in jail. his brother served almost 14. the repairman was sentenced to 18 months. >> cenk: repairman was the drug kingpin actually. tonight on "the young turks" we fight for justice. and on a lighter note, bababoy. >> i didn't think i was. but it looks like i am. >> you were. >> oh, man. >> when you see this video on tv. >> cenk: baba booey. on the show tonight.
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on "the young turks." guess what time it is. go time. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: emad burnat was heading to los angeles because he was nominated for an oscar. what happened to him at the airport? they detain him. apparently the fact the you're a palestinian is more important than you're an oscar-nominated director. urgent i'm in l.a. they need more information why i come here invitation or something can you help they will send us back if you late. it was sent quickly to try to get help. and in fact, after an hour he was finally released. now we're going to talk to him in a second about that, but i want to give a sense of his
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movie, "five broken cameras" an amazing account of what happens in the palestinian territories. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: all right, now emad burnat joins us in the studio. the first palestinian nomination for "five broken cameras." welcome. >> thank you. >> cenk: first tell us what happened in the airport. you came with your family. >> yes i came with my family this time. i came to the united states this time six times.
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but this time i came with my family. they asked me for more information, more documents to prove why i came to the united states. i told them that i am an oscar nominee and i am invite to the oscars. just to get this to give an palestinian on oscar. i was trying to show memory e-mails and documents and on my mobile. but they didn't pay attention to what i was saying. >> cenk: that's interesting. why stop you in the first place. you have a visa to come here right? did they give a reason to why they stopped you? >> i had a visa for a long time.
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i had the invitation, and they asked me for more invitation for the oscar or more documents. the officer told me if you don't come up with these documents we will send you back. >> cenk: now, we reached out to customs and asked them about this. i want to read you their statement. they said, law enforcement services tells tmz burnat was embellishing the story and that he was only sent to a secondary screening area simply to answer questions and was only detained for 25 minutes total. what's your response to that? >> the situation was very serious. when this lady told me when you don't come with this document we will send you back. so i was very worried about my family. my son asked me what's going on here? i told them that they will send us back. he was very angry. i start sending message or
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e-mails to get help. so i was stopped since i got to the airport until the end of this process it's about one hour and a half. >> cenk: how is your son by the way. >> my son is very excited. >> cenk: how old is he? >> eight years old. >> cenk: that's sweet. it's got to go an interesting situation because you can't be all together that happy with u.s. policies towards palestinian considering the wall that you're against etc. and here you are in the united states you may get an oscar. i would be excited. how do you reconcile these two things. >> yes i'm very excited. my son is very excited to come to the united states, and to
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come to be in this historic day. what happens to me in the los angeles airport reminds me where i live and where i come from because i get this in my country from israeli army, israeli occupation every day. we are under many pressures in our homes. so you know, i know this treatment. it's like a reminder, this reminds me of what happens to me in my home. >> cenk: so tell me why the movie is called "five broken cameras" and what you were covering? >> "five broken cameras" is a film about my experience, my point of view, it's about me. my story the peaceful existence in the village about my friends and the daily life in the
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village. it's a long period of shooting, about seven years. i was following the events of the village and following my life, my family growing up under this conditions. i was following my friends and how the situation affected us, affected me and my family, and my friends. i wanted to tell the story from my personal perspective. it's about what's going on in my country, in my village, about daily life. >> cenk: so i just put two to two together. this is the son that you originally bought the come are a for his birth, to document his life. now he's the one who is joining you here at the oscars, right? >> yes i bought the camera to film him and the village and after search years you see him he's eight years now and he's the first palestinian kids ever to be involved with an oscar.
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it's a very historic day. >> cenk: it's been seven years that you've been documenting this. i think a lot of people don't know what is going on in your village, and they don't know what you're resisting and how you're resisting it. can you tell us about that? >> yes the people in the village decided to take non-violence resistence to the israeli war. others have been doing it the same way non-violence. because the media focus on violence this is non-violence resistence. what has made this film, because i live there and i live the reality. i made this film about the truth. this gives the people outside the western people to know more
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about the reality and about our life about the palestinians. >> cenk: for people who haven't seen the movie why they might be asking why are you guys protesting the war. maybe you separate the israelis and the palestinians, that's not such a bad idea. so what's wrong with the wall? >> what's wrong with the wall? the wall was built in the middle of our village, in the middle of our land. 55% of our land is given to the israeli side. >> cenk: if you have property on the other side what happens to it? >> if they want to build like a security wall, they could build it on the border. >> cenk: so the people who had property on the other side of the wall, that's now the israeli's, they're putting it on their side of the wall, what happens to the property. >> the people who live on the other side of the wall, they live in different conditions, and they live in different situation, they have everybody and they have access to our land and our home, but we don't have
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access to their side. and we live under many pressures and army pressures and the occupation pressures. so all parts of our life connected to the occupation. >> cenk: it's fascinating. i don't agree with the occupation of palestinian territories. now, you know, it's a complicate complicated issue, and both sides have a long list of why it has to be that way and why it shouldn't be that way etc. but what i have been calling for for as long as i can remember is peaceful resistence. that's exactly what you guys are doing in your village. what has been the reaction world reaction to that? has it been positive. >> it has been very good and very strong. my village became like a symbol for international community. people come to participate and give support to the village and
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participate in the action and demonstration against the war. it's been--since the filming and people react very strong and very good and they feel that they are moved and touched by seeing the story in the film. >> cenk: that's why the movie is important. it's one thing when you know about it. it's another thing when you see it. when you see it you can connect to it, and you can connect with your son your brother etc. how about the u.s. reaction. has this been any effort by the u.s. government to help not building the wall in the middle of your village? >> it was built for a long time. they started in 2005. my village started the struggle and resisting in 2005. the only change is that we got part of the land. but the wall is still on our
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village land. and occupation is still on our land. it's not just my village but it's different towns and different villages in the west bank. you see it going inside the towns. >> cenk: i think when people find out the details they get a better sense of the injustice happening there. thank you for sharing that story with us. we really appreciate you coming on "the young turks." >> thank you, thank you very much. >> cenk: thank you. when we come back we've got the issue of the cabinet appointments of president obama. are they a little too cooperate corporate and we'll discuss this one from walmart. >> he helped us to oversee one one of our largest banks. >> most of our most successful and environmentally conscious companies.
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commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?
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current tv is the place for true stories. with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines. real, gripping, current. documentaries... on current tv. >> cenk: we're back on "the young turks." i'm going to show a bunch of president obama's nominees and see if you can find a pattern here. >> today i'm proud to announce the appointment of an experienced public servant, a
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devoted patriot, my friend, fellow chicagoan bill daly to serve as my chief of staff. i cannot think of a better person to continue tim's work at treasury jack lew. and i'm extraordinarily proud to nominate another strong capable leader to take the reins of interior that is ms. sally jo. >> and another corporate executive. today president obama goes to yet another corporate executive. it appears the nation is reporting that he will be picking sylvia matthew burwell who is going to be his director of office of management and budget an enormously important position that handles many of the financial issues in the
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administration. now where has she been in the past? well she was white house chief of staff back in 1990s. she was president of the global development program for the bill and melinda gates foundation, but recently president of the walmart foundation. that's interesting. let's take a look at what walmart has been up to. she has didn't run walmart. she ran the foundation. understand that. walmart hasser had $15.7 billion in profits recently, and they only pay $8.84 on average per hour in wages. a lot of profits for not paying a lot to your employees. all right, that's fine, but where does some of their money go? well lobbying. of course! $27,520,000 in lobbying. that's a tremendous amount of money to spend on lobbying for good reason. this is something that seems
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positive. they spend a lot of money on charity, and that's part of what burwell run. $175 million goes to charities municipalities churches, and different groups. and they give a decent amount to minorities groups. organization of chinese americans received $164,000. league of united latin merge citizens received $813,000. and urban league, that's a pretty good thing. but there's a good chance they might want something back for that money. let's bring in the contributor to the nation and who wrote about this recently. before we go on to burwell josh, tell me what burwell might want back for some of their charitable.
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contributions. >> this memo said that walmart needs to approve any media you're putting out about this. it says you should nominate the walmart foundation for awards. it says consider putting our logo on your website. it even says if you take our money, consider putting our logo on your employee's uniform as a way to getting the walmart brand out this. they're giving money in a manner that is designed to advance walmart's interest. as has been made clear from transcripts from meetings, what walmart wants is to build more wal-marts and neutralize critics who think the walmart-ization of the nation is a good thing.
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>> cenk: for this they want good press. most people would say, of course! the low logo is a bit much. it's charitable and now you've turned it into advertising. but it's the last thing you said. do they do it to try to get into areas that they couldn't get into. >> they give to all sorts of things. from gay crises. it's given money to mayor bloomberg's foundation. his wife's foundation and given money to a couple of organizations we found whose leaders are on a walmart website talking about how good it would be for new york to have more wal-marts. >> cenk: interesting. >> michael: none of these
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organizations have said that's the reason. >> cenk: of course not. i can't remember the last time money affected anyone in america. >> exactly. >> cenk: let's go back to burwell for a second. i red read through the article, but i'm not sure you got her on anything significant. did she do anything particularly wrong in her job at walmart? >> the question is what is the experience that she is bringing if appointed to the cabinet? burwell's experience is running a foundation that uses targeted gives to advance walmart's aims of having more wal-marts and maintaining walmart's domination in the economy. walmart drives a trend of lower wages, worse benefits, less legal accountability for companies, less opportunities for workers to sit across the tables and make demands of management. if you support those trends then there is every reason to support
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burwell. >> cenk: is there anybody at walmart that you would not have objected to? >> if the question is there anything who works full time for walmart advancing the company's agenda belong in the president's cabinet? we should know that his administration has praised walmart from the hiring the veterans but no, the question is should someone who works full time strengthening walmart's hold on the u.s. economy be a policy make center deciding whether regulations are going to be approved, including those that affect walmart i would say no. >> cenk: hillary clinton was on walmart's board of directors for six years, too. do you think she should not have
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been secretary of state? >> i think there is a whole range of issues that one should consider in terms of clinton's record, but i think it was appropriate that her connection and others' connections to walmart became an issue in the primary. we saw in 2008 prominent democratic party officials speaking out about walmart. we have not seen in recent months since the strikes that took place on black friday or before very many democrats and certainly nobody at the top of the party speaking up about these strikes or speaking up about this challenge to the dominant employer in the united states at the moment. i think the fact that hillary clinton served in a role where she helped to improve walmart's image. she helped walmart get over its imagine as a white-male company is something that she should have been asked to answer for much more. at the time she suggested changes, but she didn't speak up about labor issues in walmart,
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and something she should have been held much more accountable than she was. >> cenk: josh, i wish we had more time. i'm mixed about what you're saying about walmart. i think it's an interesting point to make. there is no one who is even considering that in washington. that's so far outside of their spectrum, and it seems that the obama administration is so intertwined with corporate america that this is one of many, many examples, and i hope we can talk about that broader phenomena as a later date. thank you for joining us on "the young turks." we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> cenk: when we come back the injustice of mandatory minimums. wait until you hear some of these cases. it makes the blood boil. we'll talk about it when we come back. >> the united states versus jason collins. >> i believe in the minimum mandatory laws. >> please, i just want to help my son.
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>> i'm not a drug dealer. i swear to you. you believe me right? >> of course i believe. >> you the minimum mandatory laws are very simple. jason is facing ten years in prison. >> the united states versus jason collins. >> i believe in the mandatory minimum laws. >> please, i just want to help my son. >> we need your son to help us make arrests before we can help him reduce his sentence. >> i won't do it. >> cenk: now that's the movie "snitch." it's about the injustice of mandatory minimum sentences and it's taken from a true story. now the amount of incarceration that we have here is astounding. let me give you some stats. 1 in 100 adults are incarcerated now. we have 2.3 million americans in
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jail as we speech. that incarceration rate is the highest in the world. we must be so proud. we're number one. when it comes to drug offenses, more insanity. 500,000 people are in jail for drug offenses ten times the number it was in 1980. before the mandatory minimum sentences were imposed and 1.3 million are in for non-violent offenses. we have rick, the writer and director of "snitch." and on satellite we have julie stewart. thank you for joining us as well well. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> cenk: rick, let me start with you. talk to me about this movie why you guys made it, and a lot of people at home might be thinking, look if they did the crime, they got to do the time. >> it's easy to say that until you're a parent. when i first read this story about a father who's son was
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facing mandatory minimum laws. the father went to the u.s. attorney and said, what if i go in the drug room and get a bigger bust, and they signed off on this. >> cenk: did that really happen. >> i have seen the document where is they signed off on it. now me as a parent, i have twin five-year-old boys how far do we go to protect our kids? we would move heaven and earth. this father didn't talk the talk, he walked the walk. for me that was profound. but then when i got further in the story and found out about the mandatory minimums and i was shocked about how little evidence you have to have to be indicted, in fact, sometimes no evidence at all like the garrison brothers i met last night, it just shows you that this isn't one of those movies where it's about a guy with a special set of skills and the c.i.a. this is not something happening
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in some other part of the world. this is in america and it can reach any of us. it doesn't matter what class you come from, what ethnicity you're from what the racial lines are it can reach any of us. >> cenk: you mentioned the garrison brother case. we profiled that. we'll show you something and then ask julie a question about that. >> in 1998 lawrence garrison and his brother lamont were students at howard university in washington. but a man who had fixed their car was arrested on drug charges. he told investigators that the garrisons had been involved. >> and they showed you pictures, and asked, have you ever see this? yeah, he fixed my car. >> the repairman could have received a ten-year jail sentence. the only way to reduce that sentence was to say someone else was involved. >> how often does this happen,
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the person who is the least guilty and doesn't know anyone who is guilty winds up with the biggest punishment. >> it happens all the time. that's the irony when congress passed these mandatory sentencing laws in 1986 they were targeting the drug kingpins. but what happens if the drug kingpin happens to get caught, which is almost never, they have a thousand names to turn in. but if you're at the bottom of that list and you get caught, you don't have anybody to turn in. you may have been paid $100 to stand on the street corner by a guy named jose, but you don't have any information that is valuable enough to the u.s. attorney to cut a deal. it happens all the time. that's one of the reasons our prisons are so overflowing with drug offenders. >> cenk: ric, how long did the garrison brothers get, do you remember? >> well over a decade. a decade of their life was taken away from them. what is amazing what i found going into this mandatory sentencing laws and in this case, in the drug world one
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lie, one lie spun a web of hundreds "a" hundred lives. it endangered so many others lives beyond the garrison brothers and theirs case, or the case of our story in "snitch." >> the garrisons got 15 years. one of the men got 15 years and the other got 19.5 years. a very long sentence. >> cenk: did they not do anything? >> there was no drugs found. there was no evidence that directly linked them to any of the trafficking of the man who snitched on them, no. >> cenk: julie, do you know the story of stephanie george who got the life sentence because her ex-boyfriend got out of jail and put coin in her attic and he turned her in. tell us more about that because the audience may not know about that story. second, what can be done about it? >> it's a pretty typical girlfriend case to be honest with you. there are a lot of women who are
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either married to or hanging out, dating drug dealers. you know, they're not completely unaware of what's going on by any stretch of the imagination. they made may be involved, count the money, store the drugs but they're not the movers and shakers in the operation. when they bust the drug kingpin the girlfriends get caught up as stephanie did. she's part of the conspiracy. the conspiracy law is a huge blanket that you can apply to anyone if there are two or more people involved in an activity that is illegal, you can get can't up in the conspiracy. if you feel like stephanie did. she was not guilty. she was just living there. it was not her drugs. and she took it to risk. it's an enormous risk. the garrison brothers took their
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case trial, too. 98% of the cases the government wins. when you lose, you lose big time because then you get stuck with these mandatory sentences. stephanie, it was her third offense because she had two priors for minor drug offenses, she had been--she had a rough childhood. it was a mess in main ways many ways. it was her third offense and it was life without parole. the judge didn't want to give it to her but the judge had to give it to her. >> cenk: the largest drug money laundering in the history of the world, but they're big bank. this is the amount of time that their bank executives got nothing. not a single day in jail. i think race does matter. i think more important than that that, privilege and power matter. if its lord blankfein's kids, they're not going to jail for
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15.5 years. that's inconceivable. if you're black poor or like the garrison brothers, you're going to college you're about to graduate but you don't have high-powered lawyers you're going to screwed a hell a lot more. >> i don't disagree with that. but the kid in our case is white. that isn't to say that is leaning towards other races julie and i talked about this last night in d.c. it's big business. it's nothing but transactions. what they don't want you to do. they don't want to go to court. they don't want to waste their time in court. they want to you plea out. they punish you if you plead not guilty. i tell what you i'll give you ten years now. in you make me take you to court i'm going to get you for 30 years, i'll get you for life. they give you that split-second decision for the rest of your life and you have to make it right there. >> cenk: it's an amazing story. the movie is called "snitch,"
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and you should go to www.takepart.com so you can find out what you can do about this, and they have a campaign for snitch there. july ijulie, ric, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> cenk: we'll talk to howard stern's executive producer, long-time produceer buba booey. we've been waiting 20 years to talk to him. when we come back.
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americans, tens of millions of americans who have listened to howard stern throughout his career. his producer has been with him forever, he's also known as baba booey, and everyone jokingly refers to him as that on the show. there is a whole new show that starts tonight at 10:00 called "for what it's worth." let me show you the trailer. >> from vintage vinyl to vintage action figures. >> who does not have this in their collection. >> "for what it's worth." they'll explore the world of music and collectibles. and they'll put a price tag on your most prized possession. >> i'll put a value on it for $15,000. "for what it's worth" only on vh1 craticvh1vh1 classic. welcome to the "the young
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turks." how are you doing. >> thanks formation for having me. >> cenk: tell me about your show and do you pay money for this old stuff? >> it's like an antique road show for rock-n-roll memorabilia. we take a field trip to see someone's collection. in tonight's opening show we went down to nashville and they showed us how they make the vinyl that they make. then we go to the warehouse and the crazy collectors bring us their stuff. john and i guess at what it's worth, then we bring an expert out who tells us what it's worth. >> cenk: do youdo you buy any of it? do you have collections from 1970s 80s? >> the reason why we came up the show is because we're collectors. we have the collector mentality. i collect baseballs. i have a jukebox and a lot of
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records and that sort of thing. john falls in the same category. we felt comfortable doing the show because we are collectors, and we know the gene that a collector has. >> cenk: i know a guy who used to collect old porn. any that have in your collection? any in the show? >> well, i knew a guy who had tons and tons of it, who collected old porn. but i did buy something. i bought something that was never featured on the show. we went to see a guy in pennsylvania, and he had an old arcade games. on the side he had this whole collection of vintage coca-cola machines. i'm now the proud owner of a 1951 coca-cola machine. >> cenk: very cool. as i've been saying on the show on the air and off the air, and of course i've been living to you guys for a long time. i want to talk about your experience on the howard stern show. talk about before you guys had made it, and how tough it was
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and whether you thought that you would ever be in a situation like you are now with the success of the show? >> well, i would like to say i started on the show just about when the train was mulling pulling out of the station. it wasn't huge yet but it had a big following. i stepped on just before it started to grow. he got fired from nbc which is probably the best thing that happened to him because he went to kroc where his career flourished. i had that one year with him at nbc. and then the next 28 at k coc and then the next seven at sirius radio. >> cenk: was it hard to get people on howard's show since he was considered so raunchy? >> the thing was--it wasn't an issue getting guests on the show because he was so raunchy. the biggest issue was people just didn't know who he was. i mean, i talked about this,
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letterman was on the sixth floor as was life at five, a big show in new york, and we were on the second show. howard would look at the listings for letterman and say go up there and talk to that guest to come on. i would wait for the guest to come on the elevator, i would push all the buttons and i would talk a guest into coming on to our floor and it worked once in a while. >> cenk: we would pretend that they had already booked it, and he would be just this close coming on before they would say wait a minute, we don't have this guy on the schedule. >> you do what you gotta do. >> cenk: exactly. when did it turn around, why did it turn around and so that it got easier? >> when we moved to kroc, i think a lot of people knew who we were. and then we added philadelphia. that was a big deal because no one was syndicating live.
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there were radio shows that were rereplayed later in the day but we were live. we added l.a. that was the fourth market. that's when things really explode: when people on the west coast heard what good radio sounded like, it was good for the howard stern show. >> cenk: when you went on late night, they reproduced fluff stuff, but howard would drill in there and ask tough questions. how did you get bigger names to come on when they knew they were going to be asked tough questions. >> a lot of people would listen to the show and understood the show and enjoyed it and realized if you came on you were sort of real that the audience would respond to that. i say to people just be yourself. the audience can feel that and respond to that. that was a big help. it just wasn't that typical. people just started to like the show. >> cenk: that's interesting. is this a moment in all that
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that really stood out to you as either a turning point or like, i can't believe i got back or i can't believe we did this? >> i always say that one of the things that sort of blew me away was when howard did his first book. howard went to do a book signing at barnes & noble on fifth avenue in new york. he said hop in the car. i'm going down there. we started driving down fifth avenue. we got stuck in avenue. and howard is very prompt and he was nervous we were going to be late. this isn't right. when we got closer we saw that the streets were covered with people. we had no idea, we realized it was because of howard. they were there to see him. fifth heavy was shut down. it looked like a riot. the security practically had to carry howard into the bookstore. we were looking at that and man, he's operating on a different level for now.
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>> cenk: that was for "private parts"? >> um, yes, the first book, "priority parts." >> cenk: gary, stay with us for one more segment. i want to talk about the exchanges you have off the air with the whole crew when we come back okay. >> okay, thanks. >> you promised me when that camera was on, that when you pushed the button down, that's all that was used. i don't want the camera on me.
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>> cenk: long time executive producer of the howard stern show, and the host for "what it's worth" appearing at 10:00 on vh1 classic about collectors items. now, speaking of collecting, gary you collected a lot of interesting characters. what is more important than the success of the howard stern shows, lesbians or midgets.
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>> just goods interesting people. i don't discriminate. >> cenk: fair enough. by the way your co-host is john hein. can you tell us about him. who is he. >> when we got over to sirius satellite radio we were looking for someone to come and host a show called the "crap-up show," and it takes place right after the hoe ward stern show. john and i continue to talk about what just happened for another hour. i knew john before he got to sirius, but we've been doing the show together now for seven years. we're great friends. some people accuse of us being in a bromance, but he's one of my best friends. >> cenk: you never hooked up with him though. >> no, not yet. >> cenk: not yet. >> a lot of people said that we had great chemistry on the air which i feel we do. that's why we decided to do the show together. vh1 classic. >> cenk: that's something that i've been always amazed by.
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you have a four to five hour show. that's unbelievable. on the show, half the time howard is yelling at you. i want to show the audience a clip. >> i didn't want to bring this up but you fell asleep at 9:00 when you're supposed to be working. this is discourtcourt disrespectful. is there a way i can make the job more exciting for you. >> you know it's not about the excitement. >> go back in your office and try to stay awake. >> i will. >> really, it's awful. >> cenk: as i was growing up, my two main questions were was wrestling fake, and were the fights that you two had on air fake. >> i couldn't answer for wrestling because i can't stand wrestling. i don't know if they were real to howard, but they were real to me. we get into arguments. even some of the fights that we got into with each other different people on the show, they're real.
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we're probably the original reality show. we were doing tv i think before the real world. we had the e show, and we would show all the stuff that went on in the office, the fighting, the yelling, the laughing, the crying, the whole deal. >> cenk: behind the scenes was howard just as tough or was he a pussycat behind the scenes? >> well, you know, here's how it would work as we talked about this today. we could get into a big fight on the air. it could be very real. we'll go to break, and we both have a job to do. my job is to produce the show, and his job is to do the show. i can't hold the grudge because i got a job to do. if it's real or not real, put my head down and which might have had a huge fight, i'll go in and say next up is this, this, and this. we're probably very dysfunctional in the sense that we don't deal with it, we just move ahead. >> cenk: how about the guys that left the show, like jacki and arty. do you keep in touch or are there unfortunate feelings
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there? >> no, no, jacki exodus a show on sirius satellite radio scald jackie's joke hunt so we don't get in trouble. and arty does a show on another syndicated radio show. i talk to arty from time to time, and there are no hard feelings with arty at all. >> cenk: it's been an unbelievable ride all of this time. my last question to you is how long are you guys going to keep this going and how long do you want to be involved in it? >> i don't know how long howard plans to keep going but i always say i'm not getting off the train until it stops. i'm not going to be suzanne suzanne summers or someone more current i can't right now. >> cenk: he's been good to you. >> absolutely. no, no, it's a great life. we get along great. he's a great friend. the show is a lot of fun.
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i enjoy coming on every day. especially when this are guests that i find interesting. it's interesting to me and it's a great job. >> cenk: check out gary's new show at 10:00 on vh1 classic. >> vh1 classic i thought current was hard to find. good luck finding vh1 classic. >> cenk: if they found this show they'll be able to find that show. we'll be back with one final point.
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